When Passions Collide

This week Matt Gunterman of Ditch Mitch took issue with Markos and MyDD's Jonathan Singer promoting Crit Luallen over other potential KY Democrats considering a run against McConnell.  


Unfortunately, many of those big-name bloggers took the good news and managed to alienate needlessly a significant portion of the grassroots in Kentucky with it. Of particular note are Kos of DailyKos and Jonathan Singer of MyDD who ended their posts on the matter with nearly identical lines. To quote Singer, "If you want to help turn up the heat on McConnell, head over to DraftCrit.com -- which is seeking to get Democratic state Auditor Crit Luallen to run for the Senate -- to get involved."

Now, everybody here knows that Crit Luallen (D) isn't the only Democrat considering a run against Mitch McConnell. Attorney General Greg Stumbo (D) and Lt. Col. Andrew Horne (D) are actively doing so, as well. Everybody knows that; it's been talked about for months now.

And since everybody knows that, that's what makes the singular focus of Kos and Singer on the draft Luallen movement (which is by no means a bottom-up, grassroots effort; it's entirely driven by the Kentucky Democratic establishment) a blatant dissing of Stumbo, Horne, and their respective supporters.

This is the most recent example of tension between national and state bloggers, but it wasn't the first and won't be the last.  Back in August Chris Bowers wrote a post about his own experiences with that tension.  He'd received a lot of pushback from local bloggers over Blue Majority's pre-primary endorsement of Al Franken and the Bush Dogs campaign.  Chris took the position that you don't have to live in a state or congressional district to justify your interest and involvement in a race.  

As a state blogger I can understand where the pushback comes from.  State and local bloggers eat, sleep, and breathe local politics.  In covering the political process in our states we do gain a knowledge and insight into races that national bloggers just aren't likely to have.  Most local bloggers have probably had the experience of reading a well meaning post on a national blog where the author missed crucial points, or misunderstood what was going on at the ground level entirely.  It's frustrating, and figuring out how to respond isn't easy.  There's always the risk that rather than extinguishing a fire you'll cause it to spread.  

I'm interested in this tension because I'm certain we'll see more examples of it next year.  That isn't necessarily a bad thing.  Bloggers, no matter what aspect of the political process we cover, are passionate about our areas of expertise.  Once in awhile those passions are going to collide and disagreements will surface.  How we handle those differences within the netroots community is more important than any isolated disagreements we may have.    



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There will always be that tension, but I don't necessarily think the national blogs need to stay neutral in the races.  We have an interest in who serves in the Senate.  While they may not be "our" representative, the great thing about a federal government is that they still represent our government.

I don't live in Kentucky, and I don't have a vested interest in who wins their primary.  I would prefer it to be the strongest candidate against Mitch McConnell, and prefer that this person has the ability to raise enough money and has a clean past.  It would also be helpful if they have a history of winning big on the state level.  That immediately disqualifies Andrew Horne in my opinion.  He should run for Congress again and actually WIN something before trying to take on the most powerful Republican in Kentucky.

Stumbo is a solid choice but he has skeletons in his closet.  Crit Luallen will be harder for McConnell to demonize.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 06:14:11 PM EST

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I don't think they should remain neutral either.  


by Melissa Ryan on Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 06:22:17 PM EST
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Matt Gunterman does.  From the blog you linked to:

So, Kos, Singer, and the like achieve absolutely nothing positive in thumbing their digital noses at Stumbo and Horne supporters. This race is for Kentucky Democrats to decide.

By the way, I love your posts.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 06:28:57 PM EST
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Thanks.  :)

I can understand where Gunterman is coming from.  Personally, I'd rather people say who they're supporting and why.    

But I do think we'll see more of these disagreements and I think it's important to consider how we deal with them.  Beyond that I have no conclusions.  


by Melissa Ryan on Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 06:35:41 PM EST
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I can understand where he's coming from, too.  I just don't think a bitchy post talking about how the big bloggers have betrayed the Kentucky progressive movement is the right response.

I'm confident Singer would allow him to post here to make his case.

The tension IS strong.  In Oregon, Steve Novick and his supporters are running a great progressive campaign.  Jeff Merkley, whom I admit to supporting financially, is the establishment candidate.  I think Oregon could turn out to be this year's Montana campaign (except that Jon Tester supports Merkley).

I think it comes down to this: some people's feelings just get hurt easily.  I don't know the 'answer' to the problem either.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 06:44:48 PM EST
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I hate the attitude of some people. (none / 0)

I agree.  I am tired of voters in particular states who have that "none of your business" attitude to those of us who do not reside in their state.

I am sorry, but what Jesse Helms did and what Mitch McConnell does, for example, affects me as much as it does anyone else, including residents of that state.  

The federal legislature is just that:  federal.  It affects the entire nation.  Thus, we all have an interest in who serves everywhere, not just in our respective states.  Local bloggers should only feel that way and get hoity toity when it comes to STATE offices.


McCain is defining Obama, and Obama is neither defining himself, nor McCain. This is awful.
by jgarcia on Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 08:49:45 PM EST
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Kos and Singer did not endorse a candidate and defend that choice. They merely repeated the establishment candidate's name and pretended that no one else exists, at the behest of the Party Insiders that are whispering in their ear. (you know, those insiders that they always rail about in public)

I can assure you that Singer and Kos aren't in any position to know who the ONE candidate is that we should choose. Nor should they be the one's deciding. If they choose to scrub the other candidates from the discussion, than Gunterman and I are right to call them out for it.

And there is not a single candidate in the running who has won a difficult statewide election against a tough opponent. So if you're counting Horne out because of that, I would think twice. Horne lost to a popular liberal candidate in a liberal district. How that disqualifies him from winning a statewide race is beyond me.


by MediaCzech on Sun Nov 25, 2007 at 10:57:38 PM EST


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